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New MUTCD Information - hit delete key, if you're tired of discussion



 A second opinon.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael C Kleiber <mkleiber@uclink.berkeley.edu>
To: neldabravo@aol.com; joyce.koeneman@dot.gov
Sent: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:49:47 -0700
Subject: Re: DSITE News - New MUTCD Information

TRT uses: "Center lines" 
 
AASHTO Glossary (from 1998 ed.): "Centerline" 
 
I don't think the idea of using two word versus one word is valid in "googling" if the one word is complex enough, but Joyce can comment on that. 
 
I resolve word conflicts like this: 
  1) check TRIS, Melvyl, etc. for last 5 yrs. of use of word(s) 
  2) ask an expert of two 
  3) make an intelligent decision 
 
MK 
 
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:09:57 -0400 
 neldabravo@aol.com wrote: 
> Michael and Joyce, 
> This is discussion is right up your alley! 
> > N 
> -----Original Message----- 
>From: John McCarthy <tsqjrmc@eng.auburn.edu
> To: The T2All Discussion List <T2ALL@lists.unh.edu
> Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:53:59 -0500 
> Subject: Fwd: Re: DSITE News - New MUTCD Information 
> > > To t2all, 
> > As each of us may need to do internet searches on request for local 
> agencies, we know that the use of one word or two words in a search 
> request makes a world of difference in the results. Hope you can 
> appreciate this suggestion that we go back to the use of two words for 
> the pavement marking "center lines". 
> > John 
> > > -- > John R McCarthy, PE 
> Assistant Director 
> Alabama Technology Transfer Center 
> c/o Civil Engineering Dept 
> 238 Harbert Engineering Center 
> Auburn University, AL 36849-5337 
> ph: 334-844-6269 
> fx: 334-844-6290 
> >>>> John McCarthy 7/12/05 11:48 AM >>> 
> Bob Canfield 
> Deep South Section ITE 
> Baton Rouge, LA 
> > Bob, 
> > I went through some of the MUTCD webpages you mentioned. It is good to 
> see a knowledge section, but some editorial work is needed. 
> > The single word centerline is used to refer to a pavement marking on 
> these webpages. The single word "centerline" has been historically used 
> in highway engineering work to refer to the surveyed centerline of a 
> highway. Sometimes the centerline is the center of a right-of-way or the 
> physical center of the roadway. Sometimes it is the previous center, as 
> a roadway is widened or re-aligned. The yellow pavement marking has been 
> called a "center line", done as a two word phrase to distinguish it from 
> the otherwise common usage of the one word term in highway surveying and 
> engineering. This distinction was lost in the definitions section and 
> Chapter 3B of the 2000 and 2003 Editions of the MUTCD. This change is 
> usage from two words to one word should not have been done in the 2000 
> Edition or continued in the 2003 Edition. Two words were used for 
> "center lines" in the 1978 and 1988 Editions. > > Edge Lines are two words in the 2003 Edition, including the definitions 
> section, and all previous editions, but appear as one word on the 
> website. This misnomer should definitely be corrected. 
> > The importance of the use of of word or two words for these terms is 
> much more that just in the history or appearance. An internet search 
> over the phrase "center line" will return a much difference result than 
> a search over the word "centerline". Therefore, I suggest that traffic 
> engineers return to the use of "center lines" and leave the use of 
> "centerlines" to the surveyors. 
> > Thanks for calling our attention to this knowledge section. 
> > John 
> > -- > John R McCarthy, PE 
> Assistant Director 
> Alabama Technology Transfer Center 
> c/o Civil Engineering Dept 
> 238 Harbert Engineering Center 
> Auburn University, AL 36849-5337 
> ph: 334-844-6269 
> fx: 334-844-6290 
> > > >>>> <RRCBRLA@aol.com> 7/11/05 8:17 AM >>> 
> > A new feature has been added to the MUTCD Website learn about Pavement 
> > Markings, and take a quiz to test your knowledge. Click on _Pavement > Markings_ > (http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/kno-tutintro.html) in the Knowledge section 
> of the > navigation bar to begin. > The MUTCD website is: _http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/_ > (http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/) > > Robert Canfield 
> 5529 Loranger Drive 
> Baton Rouge, La. 70809 
> Phone (225) 293-9609 
>FAX (225) 293-5647